Since chetmarks posted his GM barrel recall information - thought I would pull my 3 LRH barrels out and check them + while I had them out check the bore.
All three of the bores were stripped with alcohol on December 12, 2008 - dried and patched with Montana X-treme Bore Conditioner. Then placed in the open air in the my daughters vacant bedroom.
Tonight I dropped my bore light in each barrel for a look-see. Dang they are bright and shiny - no sign of any lint. Ran a single dry patch in each bore - each patch came out clean. Ran one damp patch of MX-BC in each barrel - the usual several strokes both sides... Neither of the BC patches picked up anything either.
Wiped the exterirs down with Slip 2000 and put them back in the bedroom. I dated the tag on them and will check them in 4 months. Again they are out in the open air within the back bedroom. So what ever the humidity in the house is they share.
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Are you normally a person that takes a bore brush and solvent to your barrels when you clean them? I have to admit this Montana Bore Products is starting to impress me. More testing, but its good to know that you are working along the same lines..
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Dave I do not in the normal routing use a bore brush in my cleaning routine. I will use it when I am forced to, especially in barrels that I get from someone else.
My cleaning routine is pretty much the same as yours other than the brush. But, you need to remember I do not shoot near as many lead conicals as you do.
I also must admit... since I started using the MX-BC I am starting to treat the Ml's the same as I would a centerfire barrel. After shooting I bore mop with Butches (soon to change to MX-Cowboy) - Hoppes #9 - and MX-BC.
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Mike I have always used a (brass-brush) first when cleaning my ML's to loosen up everything, then use the TC No13 Bore Cleaner patches untill clean, then oil. Am I wrong using the brass brush? I dont shoot conical just sabots. Is the brass brush needed just for shootingconical's where there is lead build up? I just assumed the brass brush scrubbed the bore so good that I used it befor the inital cleaning process. Ron
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I have some Bronze brushes but have never found a use for them on my own bores centerfire or ML. Now that is not to say I have never used them cause I have on barrels that have been neglected when I get em.
I do not shoot as many conicals as Dave does - not even close, but between chemical treatments for lead and plastic I have been fortunate enough not to use anything abrasive in the bore. I do use JB's non-embadding bore paste on occasion but not very often.
Now this is just my opion so do not carve it in stone... I do not think #13 does a dang thing that regular windex would not do better - so I do not use it - tried it for awhile but was unimpressed. If you get a chance try some regular windex and you will see what I mean.... the little bit of ammonia in windex is great it strips metal and drys rapidly carrying water with it. Think I sent you a pic of how I make my windex patches. The stuff just melts T7.
Really i have found the simplest way to get plastic fouling out is heat the barrel the plastic will let go and patch it out -when I use to worry about plastic fouling I used boiling water. Todays sabots made of polymere leave VERY little plastic in the barrel and with MX-BC in there it can not stick to anything anyway.
Remember these are just the opinions of a backwoods shooter in north Idaho - you do what works for you
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Thank's Mike, sorry about the other forum, I posted it too fast! I did get your pics on the windex patches and am going to make some. Will (Glass-Plus) work just as good? My wife stocks up on it cause she's a clean freak, but I will get some windex if it is different. Back to the Brass brush, I will try it with out using it as I see your point as it's not needed. But will a brass brush harm the bore? say scratch it or cause premature wear? Thank's, Ron
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I actually do not know... I just looked it up on the net but could not find what the ingredients are. My fisrt thougt is probably not only because I do not think it has the ammonia in it.
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But will a brass brush harm the bore? say scratch it or cause premature wear
No I do not think it will - it should wear down before doing anything to the bore, but I just hate putting anything in that MIGHT be abrasive in the bore - unless it is needed. And then I would probably try the nylon brush first. I do not want to imply that MX has the answer for everything but when I talked to Shaun - when necessary he preferred the nylon brush.
The chemicals will work and canbe removed with a patch.... the big thing with the bore cleaning chemicals - you have to give them time to work in the bore. In really tough bore conditions - often they will need to sit in the bore for hours before coming out.
Again a lot of people use them - but I have just not found them necessary.
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Glass plus will work fine. I use cheap "Dollar Store" glass cleaner and it works fine. And the brass brush will not harm your bore. It will wear out of bend over before it gets to abrasive.
I would worry about an nylon brush with some of the chemicals now a days. I am not sure if Montana X-treme is that harsh, but Don of Western Powder told me a brass brush, and that's what I use. The results of what this stuff is doing is what is kind of shocking me.
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Mike I just looked at the Glass-Plus and it does'nt say the ingediants, just jet-Dry Diamond Shine, so Im gonna get some Windex, Thank's as I would have just used the Glass Plus. And from now on no more Brass Brushes in the bore, as I dont have any mistreated barrel's, just clean one's, I go out of the way to clean them, some I take up to 2 hours on, I even clean the threads on the screws and treat them with conditioner. I was just wondering on the harm the brass brush might cause the barrel as I was always taught to never clean my Marlin Model 39A.22Cals with a brass brush as it would damage the barrel and and cause accuracy problems,just a patch and oil in them.
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