black powder newbie

[coca_colaguy23]

Hey guys I have in my possession a Remington ML 700 , inline muzzle loader anyone have one of these? how do the shoot? and recomondations as far as a load / bullet combo?

[cayugad]

Sabotloader shoots Remington muzzleloaders and from reading his posts, I think you couldn't get him to give them up for the world. All he ever reports is outstanding accuracy and solid built rifles. I am sure he will catch this post and answer your load questions. Welcome to the sport.

[TNHagies]

I own one and love it. So far, everything I've shot out of it has shot well. Sabots and conicals.The only down sideI see to themis that they area little harder to clean than 2nd generation muzzleloaders. Make sure you get yourself a bolt take-down tool. It makes cleaning a lot easier. I would also recommend the Cabela's 209 conversion. Mine shot well with the Remington version but there was a lot of blowback with it.

Sabotloader has owned them longer than I have so I'm sure he can give you a lot more info. It's a great gun though. Careful though, it's addicting

[saxman1]

Welcome friend
And it begins!!!!!!!!!

[sabotloader]

coca_colaguy23

I have two of them, both stainless. They are in my opinion and excellent ML. They do have some issues but nothing that is not easily overcome.

They will shoot anything that will fitdown the barrel accurately. Both of my guns a sabot shooters, although they will shoot Dan's 460 grainBull Shops pretty darn well also. There is a replacemet spring available from Wolff Springs for the Model 700ML, which is a much better spring.

The two biggest issues with them are the factory hammer spring is weak and will cause you a misfire if shooting #11's at some point. The second is the cleaning of the bolt. The internal hammer spring must be cleaned and taken care of. The Remington 700 bolt tool makes this job very easy.

If your Remington came with a factory 209 nipple - I would suggest you dump it and get a new conversion from Cabelas. This conversion is made in Canada and comes with all the instructions for changing it out + a new spring.

I have changed my load for these two guns in the past couple of years. For years I was shooting 100 grains of T7-2f, a year or so back I started shootingSpeer Gold Dot bullets, they seemed to like to shot faster for better accuracy so I ended shooting 110 grains of T7. Then I discovered that the Nosler Partitions I shoot for hunting also do not mind the 110 grain load... so that has become a standard for me. The other load I shoot for peepers and small game is a 200 grain 40 cal XTP - that is a real fun load to shoot.. little recoil and one heck of a fast bullet and by ML standards pretty darn flat.

If you use a scopeyou will need some sort of scope protection for the bottom of the scope above the breech or make a weather shield for it. I use AA 20 guage shotgun cases cut to fiton the bolt.

Great gun - but once you get shooting - you will be sorry...

Speaking of shooting have you shot ML'sbefore? I ask because there is a very easy way to get started - it is a little more expensive that shooting normal - but it will get you started safely?

Just so you know - you will need either a MMP HPH-24 sabot or a regular Harvester - either the short black or the long petal. If you decide to go with a 44 cal then you will need a green 44 cal sabot either a MMP or a Harvester. I am partial to the black 50 cal sabots and proectiles cause that is what I shoot... although if you are after deer Speer makes a 44 cal Gold Dot that really reminds me of a 30-30 bullet and they have worked well on deer for years.

I am not sure and have tested the rifle yet with BH-209, the new powder, I would not even consider it with a Remington 209 nipple but I really am considering it with the Cabelas nipple - I know it will work but I need to check it yet to see if I can keep the shotgun primer in the nipple most of the time, even if it does not, with a copper weather shield evrybody and thing wuld be safe.

[alleyyooper]

I also have 2 700 ML's. A 54 cal and a 50. The 54 likes 100gr. T7 300gr 50 cal speer gold dots in MMP purple sabots. It also like about any thing else you stuff down the barrel.
All My 700 ML's came from the factory with the weather shield for the bolt.


My 50 cal likes 80gr. of T7 with about any thing you stuff down the bore. I use mainly 300gr gold dots in a green MMP sabot.

Yes cleaning the bolt is a must. I bout this kit from Gander Mountian for about $10.00 makes cleaning the bolt a breeze.


I use to use the clear duck tape to protect the bottom of the scopes. I went to a hardware store and bought a couple short chunks of 1 1/2 dia. clear hose and split it to fit around the scope which got rid of the sticky tape residue.

Another nice thing about the 700 is the adjustable trigger pull. I have mine both set for 2.5 pounds. There are several web sites that will walk you thur how to do it. Make sure you have a trigger pull gauge or a scale that measures in low onces.

One other thing I found out right after I got my first 700 is not to use liquid lubes on the bolts. Use a dri lube like Remington dri slide. In the cold the oil can freeze up enough to cause problems with the stricker hitting the primer.

Al

[coca_colaguy23]

wow thanks a lot guys you have been a huge help

[nchawkeye]

One of my brothers has one, his pet load is 100grs Pryodex R-S and a 250 Barnes MZ all copper bullet...

[gregrn43]

my m700 50 cal likes 100gr pryodex P with 250gr barnes expander mz

[gleason.chapman]

ORIGINAL: gregrn43

my m700 50 cal likes 100gr pryodex P with 250gr barnes expander mz

Coca_Colaguy23,
The MZ Expander is a great bullet, expands a low speed and pushes all the way thru. Holds together with no fragmentation and great expansion, since the hollow point is so huge. Petals are also sharp, so they are the perfect ML bullet if they shoot well in your rifle. They don't shoot well in every rifle. I could not get them shooting well in my Savage, but they have a cousin the Barnes TSX FlatNose 45/70 bullet that shoots will in a MLer with a Crushed Rib sabot, the Barnes Part number is 45843. They have the huge hollow point of the MZ, but they are .458 instead of .452, the extra .006 really fits tight in my Savage, and shoots very accuratly. An extra bunus, they appear to be about $8 cheaper than the MZs, the .458 diameter bullets work very well in1:28 twist barrels. So consider those also in your new M700. Nosler Partitions or Barnes MZ,TMZ, whatever are strong great bullets, worth the price for hunting. Best Wishes are youget started in this very fun sport.
Chap Gleason
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