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[bigtim6656]

OK when i get my triumph i am going to start with the shockwave 250s. properly be my hunting round for this year since i do not have months to shoot.

Someone told me that the bonded 250 shockwave was to much power for deer to get the unbounded.
what do you guys think

[Indiana SmokePole]

It depends on what powder charge you plan on shooting , me I would start with 80 - 110gr and a reg SW but if you want to push them really hard 120gr or over I would go with the Bonded. But that is just me Also I would go with the 300gr SW a little better Constructed and tougher than the 250gr.

[bigtim6656]

what about the charge with the 300 grain

ORIGINAL: Indiana SmokePole

It depends on what powder charge you plan on shooting , me I would start with 80 - 110gr and a reg SW but if you want to push them really hard 120gr or over I would go with the Bonded. But that is just me Also I would go with the 300gr SW a little better Constructed and tougher than the 250gr.

[nchawkeye]

For deer the regular 250 SSTs are just fine, unless you are pushing at 2200fps or more, like out of a Savage smokeless inline..

[Indiana SmokePole]

With the 300gr I would start out @80 And work your way up until you find the sweet spot I have one ML that I shoot 300gr bullets out of with 100gr 2fg 777 and have killed deer @ over 150yds But would use 85 or 90 if the gun liked that charge but the gun likes 100gr with the 300gr bullet & 90 with a 250gr bullet. You have to remmember that Guys Including My self are shooting 400gr to 500gr conicals with powder charges from 70gr to 90gr and have killed animals @ over 150 to 175yds . also remmember that most of your killes will be from 20yds to 80 or 90yds on the averageI know you live in INDIANA as so do I and even though I have killed deer a long ranges My average Kill over the past 10yrs has been about 35 to 50yds . But I seldom hunt Fields I like the Thick timber and Ridges . If you want to hunt Fields for long shots You may want to look at the 200gr SW also with 110gr of powder very deadly medican for WT Deer.

[bigtim6656]

one spot i will hunt is a field about 550 feet each way square.
Then back from it in the woods is the spot i will hang my stand it is on a creek by a thicket and i am think from the tree shots could be 5 yards or 10 to 15 at the most.
it will be my main bow spot.
Then i will hunt a finger field of beans that has a 75 to 100 yard wide field of bean a strip of woods another field of bean 100 to 150 yards wide
a strip of woods and another field about 40 yards wide.

then i have a few spots that are in the woods deep one of which is a sorghum field and another that is a strip of woods on a corn field and a field that is unplanted

ORIGINAL: Indiana SmokePole

With the 300gr I would start out @80 And work your way up until you find the sweet spot I have one ML that I shoot 300gr bullets out of with 100gr 2fg 777 and have killed deer @ over 150yds But would use 85 or 90 if the gun liked that charge but the gun likes 100gr with the 300gr bullet & 90 with a 250gr bullet. You have to remmember that Guys Including My self are shooting 400gr to 500gr conicals with powder charges from 70gr to 90gr and have killed animals @ over 150 to 175yds . also remmember that most of your killes will be from 20yds to 80 or 90yds on the averageI know you live in INDIANA as so do I and even though I have killed deer a long ranges My average Kill over the past 10yrs has been about 35 to 50yds . But I seldom hunt Fields I like the Thick timber and Ridges . If you want to hunt Fields for long shots You may want to look at the 200gr SW also with 110gr of powder very deadly medican for WT Deer.

[Indiana SmokePole]

I think that from what you have Explained about your set up that IF it were me I would go with a 250gr BondedShockwave or the 300gr Reg ShockWave and start my loads out at 85gr and work my way up to no more than 110gr, go in 5gr increments But I bet that your sweet Spot will be some were around 90 to 100gr . another great bullet to try would be a 250 or 275gr Parker BE they shoot great out of the Triumphs from every thing I have read. If you would like to see a shooting report on the SW & Parkers go to the Modern Muzzle loader forum and go under the Smokeless Section then look into the Balistic perma gel bullet tests ( Sticky ) the 250gr Reg SW Desinegrated at 1800 FPS witch is about 90 gr of 777 ! WOW very good read.