Encore users-Triple 7 and FFF

rdpettit · 03-28-2008, 07:14 AM

Any Encore users use the FFF version of Triple 7 over the FF version? Results please.

dphobby · 03-28-2008, 08:15 AM

I use the FFF, It is a little easier to work with when you use a flask with a small spout, and it has a little more Umph than the FF.

rdpettit · 03-28-2008, 08:26 AM

Was thinking of trying it since you can use a smaller charge and get a bit more velocity. And save you money at the same time.

Tony has some published loads here using a Knight:

http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/LoadsBallistics.html

dphobby · 03-28-2008, 08:37 AM

I think Toby has always been a big fan of the FFF versus the FF

rdpettit · 03-28-2008, 09:40 AM

He doesn't go over 110 or 120 grains of it. Good reason too I bet... Higher pressures. I usually shoot 120 grains of FF so think I'll give it a try. More velocity with less recoil.

sabotloader · 03-28-2008, 12:25 PM

rdpettit

In my experiance with T7 3f vs 2f - you really do not get a great pressure increase. The difference is in speed.... 3f reaches pressure faster and burns out faster than does 2f. In real BP and the other subs this is different.

When shooting the two over the chrono with identical loads there is not a marked increase in velocity from the longer 26"+ barrels. There is an increase but not as much as I thought it might be

Here is a velocity log from a 2f/3f outing ....

cayugad · 03-28-2008, 12:45 PM

WOW.. Sabotloader, you really got them conicals moving there.. I'd sure hate to be on the other end of that big chunk of lead moving at some of them speeds..

As for the FFF I shoot it all the time in a lot of rifles. Not just Triple Se7en either. I like the smaller grain powder. As for max loads, I never go over 120 grains too often unless I am positive the rifle I am shooting can take it. White, Thompson Center and Knight inlines I am pretty confident in. If you look on Hodgdon's site they show some tests with the Triple Se7en FF VS the FFF and there really is not a lot of difference in the velocities. Not as much as I expected. So while there is an increase in barrel pressures, I wonder to what extent. But as long as you load what you consider and the manufacturer considers a safe amount of powder I have no problem pulling the trigger.

kyle03dodge · 03-28-2008, 05:36 PM

myself i like to shoot the 777 50 grain formed pellets consistant powder load everytime and alot faster second shot if you may need one but i like to call it the ol t/c encore one shot smackdown!!!!!!!!

Buck Hunter 1 · 03-29-2008, 03:05 PM

I shoot the Pro and use 120 grain T7 loose w/ a shockwave easy glide. I will be messing w/ other bullets when I get over the hump w/ our 4H program like TMZ, Speer gold dots 270 and Parker BE, Everything i read and see on this site and another devoted to BP TC guns like a stouter load. So start at 100 and work up. I know of NO one shooting more than 120 grains loose!

rdpettit · 03-29-2008, 04:51 PM

Well from Toby's web data and sabotloader's data there looks like about a 100 FPS in velocity using the same weight charge when using the FFF version vs the FF version of T7. That's nothing to sneeze at! More velocity using less powder and lower cost-since you can use less powder to get velocity window. I picked up a can of FFF today.