logo
 

Go Back   HuntingNet.com Forums > Firearms Forum > Black Powder

Black Powder Ask opinions of other hunters on new technology, gear, and the methods of blackpowder hunting.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 02-29-2008, 03:35 PM   #1
Nontypical Buck
 
RobertSubnet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,223
Default What makes BP so corrosive?

Greetings all.

As we all know, black powder is very corrosive. Is it corrosive because it is hygroscopic, causing metal to rust or is there some other property (along with being hygroscopic?) that makes BP corrosive?

Here in Arizona it is not very humid-obviously.I wonder if black powder'scorrosive effect of attracting moisture is lessened here (due toless humidity)than say the swampsof Florida?

Not trying to get out of cleaning my MLs as soon as possible after shooting them, I just don't want to worry that I am not cleaning them soon enough. If that makes any sense.

~Robert
__________________
www.Kaydoo.com
Your Visual Marketplace
Crafters, Artists, Fundraisers,
Kaydoo is your place to be seen.


RobertSubnet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-29-2008, 03:41 PM   #2
Giant Nontypical
 
Semisane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: S.E. Louisiana
Posts: 7,086
Default RE: What makes BP so corrosive?

sulfur + oxidation + H2O = sulfurous acid
__________________
My wife says I'm totally nuts, but I think I'm Semisane.

Things I've Learned:
(1) It's not possible to please everyone, but quite easy to piss everyone off.
(2) If you love animals as I do, then you're not a vegetarian.
(3) There's no need to act stupid, even if you're very good at it.
(4) If you eat right and exercise, don't smoke or drink, you're going to die anyway.
Semisane is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-29-2008, 03:57 PM   #3
Boone & Crockett
 
cayugad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 17,919
Default RE: What makes BP so corrosive?

Also the corrosive powders like black powder and pyrodex contain, or actually whenignited leave various complex salt compounds in the barrel. These salts left after the ignitionattract moisture, and the moisture in correlation to the steel of the barrel will cause corrosion. Hot water and liquid dish soap will dissolve the salts. As does swabbing. Remove the salt and you protect the barrel. You can also use a black powder solvent. These solvents also neutralize the salts formed from the ignition of the powder. The gun oil application afterward again, further removes trace elements and helps block oxygen by forming a protect seal over the steel.
__________________
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, a total wreck, screaming Yahoo, with a big smile on your face."
cayugad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-29-2008, 05:43 PM   #4
Giant Nontypical
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,748
Default RE: What makes BP so corrosive?

After black powder is burnt it has 57 different kinds of chemical salts in it, a bout the only thing I know of thats more corrosive is Pyrodex. Lee
__________________
Lee
lemoyne is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-29-2008, 05:52 PM   #5
Nontypical Buck
 
RobertSubnet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,223
Default RE: What makes BP so corrosive?

So does the level of outside moisture (humidity) matter? Will the salts have less of a corrosive effect here in Arizona due to less moisture?
__________________
www.Kaydoo.com
Your Visual Marketplace
Crafters, Artists, Fundraisers,
Kaydoo is your place to be seen.


RobertSubnet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-29-2008, 06:14 PM   #6
Boone & Crockett
 
cayugad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 17,919
Default RE: What makes BP so corrosive?

Quote:
ORIGINAL: RobertSubnet

So does the level of outside moisture (humidity) matter? Will the salts have less of a corrosive effect here in Arizona due to less moisture?
I am not a chemist, but I would theorize that the more moisture, the more reaction from the salts. The more reaction from the salts the faster the corrosive process would be. So in your case, in a dry non humid climate, you would slow down the rusting process clock, but not actually stop it.
__________________
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, a total wreck, screaming Yahoo, with a big smile on your face."
cayugad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-29-2008, 06:51 PM   #7
Nontypical Buck
 
RobertSubnet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,223
Default RE: What makes BP so corrosive?

Cayugad:

Ithink you are right and appreciate your thoughts. Was just wondering what exactly was it about BP that made it corrosive and if less moisture meant a slower rate of corrosion.

~Robert
__________________
www.Kaydoo.com
Your Visual Marketplace
Crafters, Artists, Fundraisers,
Kaydoo is your place to be seen.


RobertSubnet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-29-2008, 07:30 PM   #8
Typical Buck
 
wabi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: southwest Ohio
Posts: 909
Default RE: What makes BP so corrosive?

In my limited experience the level of humidity has some effect, but not enough to really matter much. It's still a matter of hours - not days!
This past winter I shot a deer in the rain and didn't re-load or wipe the bore. I had the deer field dressed, tagged, and in the processor's cooler within a couple hours at most. As soon as I got home I cleaned the rifle and there was the brown color of rust on the first patch through the bore. No damage, but it was already starting to form!!!!!!!!!
In low humidity conditions you should be good for a few hours, but I always figure the sooner the better for cleaning!!!!!!!!
wabi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-29-2008, 07:49 PM   #9
Giant Nontypical
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,748
Default RE: What makes BP so corrosive?

If you dont clean your gun itcan rust overnight, where it is humid like here on the down wind side ofGreers Fairy Lakeit just rusts faster and deeper. Lee
__________________
Lee
lemoyne is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2008, 08:48 AM   #10
Nontypical Buck
 
rafsob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Hayes, Va.
Posts: 1,325
Default RE: What makes BP so corrosive?

Corrosionis a chemical process that is like an electric battery.You must have twoforms of conductors and an electrolite. The barrel metal is one conductor, the salts act as another conductor while the moisture isthe electrolite. Complete thecircuit and you have corrosion. Remove oneof theseitems and there could be nocorrosion.

Hope I said that right.
__________________
Just Another Voice in the Crowd!!!
rafsob is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Corrosive? statjunk Guns 6 12-17-2005 01:00 PM
You know what Makes me MAD??? Mathewsboy Bowhunting 41 08-27-2005 08:22 PM
IYO Who makes the best adams Technical 10 03-04-2005 10:54 AM
Clear Shot...Non-Corrosive? Jimimac Black Powder 8 09-21-2003 08:21 AM
How Corrosive is Tripple 7??? Facts Needed Please clearanceman Black Powder 7 10-02-2002 05:40 PM

 

All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:35 AM.