Just got a call from the receptionist that said I had a package. Hmmm...couldn't be I thought. I just ordered some 250gr Gold Dots and Crush Rib sabots (after reading all the good reviews on here) from MSS night before last. But it was...man that was fast for ground shipping.
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TC Omega .50 SS/Lam (gray/black) w/Bushnell Elite 3200 3-9x40 & Leupold QD rings
Rem 700ML .50 Blue/Syn (black) w/Nikon Monarch 4x40 & Leupold QD rings
TC Hawken .50 Brown/Walnut
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No matter where you go.....there you are.
Mid South, Midway USA, and Natchez must get your order in the mail the same day as I have had them show up two days later.. that is just good business sense to me.
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I want to make a gentle suggestion, I say gentle because it appears that I have a problem with "crush ribs." They were designed to ease loading in really tight barrels and where you need to use them use 'em, but I would suggest that you try regular Harvesters or MMP 24 to verify that they are "to" tight.
A year ago or so I did some testing for an New MMP sabot, the HPH-3p-EZ load. In taht testing I compared several bullets shot from the same rifle with the same powder charge, changing only the sabots. The test gun was a A&H 320 SN, at the time that was what I was uing for all my testing. One thing that might flaw the testing could be the fact that this gun really did not need either the "crush rib" or the 3p, HPH-24's and regular Harvesters loaded down it just fine with .452 bullets. When I did that testing I did tell Del Ramsey that the gun i was going to use and the possible problem I forsaw.
Well, any way, in that testing I shot 250and 300 grain Speer's at paper. Also remeber these were .452 and the Nosler are .451. The testing showed that both the 3p and the "crush rib" were very accurate, but i would loose anywhere from 100 to 200 fps shooting a "crush rib." Now that really is not much but it is a difference....
Here is one of the test targets...
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I want to make a gentle suggestion, I say gentle because it appears that I have a problem with "crush ribs." They were designed to ease loading in really tight barrels and where you need to use them use 'em, but I would suggest that you try regular Harvesters or MMP 24 to verify that they are "to" tight.
A year ago or so I did some testing for an New MMP sabot, the HPH-3p-EZ load. In taht testing I compared several bullets shot from the same rifle with the same powder charge, changing only the sabots. The test gun was a A&H 320 SN, at the time that was what I was uing for all my testing. One thing that might flaw the testing could be the fact that this gun really did not need either the "crush rib" or the 3p, HPH-24's and regular Harvesters loaded down it just fine with .452 bullets. When I did that testing I did tell Del Ramsey that the gun i was going to use and the possible problem I forsaw.
Well, any way, in that testing I shot 250and 300 grain Speer's at paper. Also remeber these were .452 and the Nosler are .451. The testing showed that both the 3p and the "crush rib" were very accurate, but i would loose anywhere from 100 to 200 fps shooting a "crush rib." Now that really is not much but it is a difference....
Here is one of the test targets...
A lot of guys over on the Savage Forum are shooting Crushed Rib with Barnes Origonals and Barnes Flat Point and Barnes X-bullets with Smokeless Powerer anywhere from 2300 to 2500 FPS. Now these are .458 bullets, they have the "power" to grip the edges of the rifling and be loose enough to load. Also they are $3 cheaper per 50 than the MPM, so in my opinion they are better in several ways. #1) they are as accurate as the MMP (your targets show that, I can show that with my Omega, My FL and My Knight),
#2) they are easy to load, even for tight bore and .458 bullets
#3) they work for .451/.452 AND .458 bullets (Can the MMP12 and 24 work with .458 bullets or do you HAVE to get theMMP Orange to shoot them well?)
#4) they work extremely well with high power loads even high pressure of smokeless
#5) they are less costly the MMP
#6) I like them.
#6 is obviously the most important, just kidding. There ya have it, like Forrest Gump said "That is all I know about that.". Chap
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Chapman Gleason
Purcellville Va
http://www.the-gleasons.com
My reason for the purchase was to try them out and see how they shoot in my gun (every barrel is different and my bore is tight). I've heard nothing but good about the Gold Dots and was looking for something that would load easier for follow up shots. I currently hunt with Barnes 245gr Spitfires which are bear to load but shoot and perform great and I plan to continue hunting with them as my primary load. But in the case that I would need a quick follow up shot I want something that loads a little easier, hence faster. My HOPE is that they will shoot similar enough to the Barnes to be my back up loads. Also at ~$25/24 .vs ~$14/50 the Gold Dots are much easier on the wallet for going to the range and at that price I just had to try em. Another option would have been Powerbelts which load relatively easy and I usually carry one PB load in case I need that really fast reload, but I'm not a big fan of PB's both from personal experience and what I read about them. There are alot of people that have good results with them and wouldn't shoot anything else and good for them, but given the choice between two products one that you can't find any negative comments about and one that has both good and bad reviews, I'll pick the one with no negative comments almost every time (depends on what those negative comments are). Of course I won't be able to make a decision about the crush rib/GD until I go to the range. Like they say "the proof is in the pudding"
Oh, and I want to try the crush rib sabots with some Barnes Expanders too (250's)
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TC Omega .50 SS/Lam (gray/black) w/Bushnell Elite 3200 3-9x40 & Leupold QD rings
Rem 700ML .50 Blue/Syn (black) w/Nikon Monarch 4x40 & Leupold QD rings
TC Hawken .50 Brown/Walnut
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No matter where you go.....there you are.
My reason for the purchase was to try them out and see how they shoot in my gun (every barrel is different and my bore is tight). I've heard nothing but good about the Gold Dots and was looking for something that would load easier for follow up shots. I currently hunt with Barnes 245gr Spitfires which are bear to load but shoot and perform great and I plan to continue hunting with them as my primary load. But in the case that I would need a quick follow up shot I want something that loads a little easier, hence faster. My HOPE is that they will shoot similar enough to the Barnes to be my back up loads. Also at ~$25/24 .vs ~$14/50 the Gold Dots are much easier on the wallet for going to the range and at that price I just had to try em. Another option would have been Powerbelts which load relatively easy and I usually carry one PB load in case I need that really fast reload, but I'm not a big fan of PB's both from personal experience and what I read about them. There are alot of people that have good results with them and wouldn't shoot anything else and good for them, but given the choice between two products one that you can't find any negative comments about and one that has both good and bad reviews, I'll pick the one with no negative comments almost every time (depends on what those negative comments are). Of course I won't be able to make a decision about the crush rib/GD until I go to the range. Like they say "the proof is in the pudding"
Oh, and I want to try the crush rib sabots with some Barnes Expanders too (250's)
I predict that the Crushed rib will shoot the .452 expanders just fine, and load a lot easier than the supplied Barnes Sabot (MMP12 I believe), in fact as I pointed out above, others shoot .458 Barnes rifle bullets with the .452/.451 Crushed rib, so I think it will do just fine, several shoot it with really hot load, so the 200 fps that Sabotloader is reporting in blowby is not a concern, accuracy is the main concern. I am testing the following .458 bullets with the Crush Rib:
Barnes #45105 275g XPB BC of .141
Barnes Expander MZ 300g #45131 BC .207
Barnes Origonal 300g #457010 Spitzer SP BC .291
Barnes X-bullet 300g XFN 45832 BC .204
Barnes X-bullet 300g FB 45802 BC .235
Now you can see that the Barnes Origonal has the best BC of .291, so that is what I want to try first. They are also the cheapest of the Barnes. Next I want to try the Barnes Flat Base 45802 which is really the Expander in .458 diameter instead of .452, they are cheaper than the expander in lots of 20.
$17.10 for 20 http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0003545843
but they only go up to 275g. I wanna shoot 300 for shoot thru, but maybe that not an issue with Barnes X bullets.
The X bullets are a Spitzer: http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0003545802
and I don't think they will shoot well in a MLer, some folks put an #8 washer at the bottom of the sabot and level out the Spitzer, I think I will give that a try.
Point is, all these Barnes will shoot in a Crushed Rib, so in my opinion the Crushed rib is a more general purpose sabot for both inline BP guns and Smokeless guns.
Chap Gleason
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Chapman Gleason
Purcellville Va
http://www.the-gleasons.com
Already??
, just kidding. There ya have it, like Forrest Gump said "That is all I know about that.". Chap 
