I was just watching guns and ammo TV. They showed a federal fusion saboted muzzleloader bullet. They shot it into ballistics gel and when they retrieved it, it looked a lot like the gold dots that have been shown here. I think theysaid they're available in 240,250 and 300 grain. P.S. - It didn't show or say what powder charge or what type of powder they were using.
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Knight Wolverine w/ Simmons aetec 2.8-10x44
220 grain precision rifle dead center bullet
80 grains 777
Remington 700 in 7mm w/Simmons aetec 2.8-10x44
High Country Split Force bow/Gold Tip arrows/Vortex broadheads
Not in the ML version. In fact, this is the first I've heard of them. I have shot them in my .30-06 with Fusion factory 150gr and 165gr bullets. Accuracy was marginal (2-2.5" groups) out of my Savage, which will shoot the cheap Winchester Super-X 150gr Power Points into average 0.75" groups at 100 yards.
Might be worth a try for the ML though. If they'll offer good expansion without disintigrating at any velocity and give pass-through performance, and be cheaper than the Barnes MZ or TMZ bullets (which do both very well), they'd be a great bullet.
ATK is the parent co. for Federal/CCI. Not sure on the fusion BP bullet but federal has the Hydro-shok and now the HST round which is the Hydro shock tactical bullet. The gold dot is of course from cci. Both excellent bulletsthat maintain max expansion w/o loss of the lead core. It peels back and make a huge exit. I have only used the hornady equal in BP and that is the XTP. All very similar in design. From the bullets I have seen the XTP came apart off the lead core twice. All good ones.
Steve
Never shot one out of a muzzleloader but a friend was shooting them out of his slug gun this past season. We recovered one from a buck he shot. Shot was 70-80 yds. downhill, bullet entered high on the left ham shattering the pelvis. Bullet continued up through about 12-14" of spine then down through the vitals. There was an exit hole but the bullet was found along the ribs under the hide. Bullet did not expand at all. Not sure how that happened after encountering that much bone.
Yeah, expansion, or lack of it, is what concerns me. I've never had luck with jacketed bullets. Is it that the deer are small here? Is it that the shots are too close and the bullets don't expand? I don't know. I wouldn't mind shooting a jacketed ML bullet but until I find one that I can be confident will expand quickly and stay together, I've got to stay with the all lead bullets. The expand extremely well and retain their weight. Maybe someday I'll find something that works.
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Knight Wolverine w/ Simmons aetec 2.8-10x44
220 grain precision rifle dead center bullet
80 grains 777
Remington 700 in 7mm w/Simmons aetec 2.8-10x44
High Country Split Force bow/Gold Tip arrows/Vortex broadheads
Try some Gold Dots for one hunt and you will be sold.
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tried fusion in my CF 06'. Did not like them went back to the old core lokt. Gold dots or shockwaves arean inexpensive proven good bullet.
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I was just watching guns and ammo TV. They showed a federal fusion saboted muzzleloader bullet. They shot it into ballistics gel and when they retrieved it, it looked a lot like the gold dots that have been shown here. I think theysaid they're available in 240,250 and 300 grain. P.S. - It didn't show or say what powder charge or what type of powder they were using.
I think in Am Rifleman about 3 or 4 months ago that Craig Boddington spoke some about these, if I recall correctly. I think he shot them into zebra, and the tops were perfectly mushroomed, long shanks. He called them beautiful for expansion and penetration, I don't remember the caliber, maybe a 338, but he like them a lot. I will look up the article, it was a good read and if they are making a 45/70 bullet that would be a great MLer bullet. Chap
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Have you shot them at close distances? Like 10-30 yards? If so, did they expand really well? A bunch of my shots are right around this range and since my experiences with the XTP's, I'm really gun shy about any jacketed bullets. I'd have to hear personal experiences about them at this range to consider them as a hunting load.
Let me know your experiences at this range. I currently shoot the precision rifle dead center 220's over 80 grains of 777.
One more thing, let me know what weigh bullet you would recommend. The deer in my area are pretty small, 80 lbs field dressed is pretty typical. Thanks, Greg
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Knight Wolverine w/ Simmons aetec 2.8-10x44
220 grain precision rifle dead center bullet
80 grains 777
Remington 700 in 7mm w/Simmons aetec 2.8-10x44
High Country Split Force bow/Gold Tip arrows/Vortex broadheads
Has anyone here shot the federal fusions?
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