changeale muzzleloader question

[bigtim6656]

OK my understanding is that you do not need a ffl to buy a ml or a barrel

so if i buy a muzzle loader that can have a center fire or shotgun barrel add to it like the encore

and i buy say a 3006 where do i do the ffl form or do i to me it would be a way for some not me i could care less to get around the FBI to buy a gun
which i doubt the FBI will let happen
do you do the form when you buy the ml or when you bu a barrel for center fire
also if yo hunt wit a encore pistol is it a handgun which means you need a ccp

[sabotloader]

bigtim6656

If you purchase a ML with the abilty to use centerfire barrels you will to get a ffl involved...

[cayugad]

They will make you send it to an FFL who will not release it to you until you complete and pass all the necessary paperwork.

[MLKeith]

The action is what gets controlled by ffl, not the barrels. If the action will accept a centerfire barrel either rifle or shotgun the action is a "firearm" and is subject to the ffl rules of the game. In case of the Encore it gets a little more complicated as if the action is bought as a pistol it can be made into a pistol, if it is bought as a rifle then converting to a pistol becomes illegal in some opinions. The rules of the fed firearms act of 1938 says you cannot make a pistol out of any part of a rifle. If bought as a pistol then adding a rifle barrel and stock may be legal. Too confusing for me so I don't own any Encores.

[bigtim6656]

ya alittle to confusingfor me also

ORIGINAL: MLKeith

The action is what gets controlled by ffl, not the barrels. If the action will accept a centerfire barrel either rifle or shotgun the action is a "firearm" and is subject to the ffl rules of the game. In case of the Encore it gets a little more complicated as if the action is bought as a pistol it can be made into a pistol, if it is bought as a rifle then converting to a pistol becomes illegal in some opinions. The rules of the fed firearms act of 1938 says you cannot make a pistol out of any part of a rifle. If bought as a pistol then adding a rifle barrel and stock may be legal. Too confusing for me so I don't own any Encores.

[eldeguello]

ORIGINAL: bigtim6656

OK my understanding is that you do not need a ffl to buy a ml or a barrel

so if i buy a muzzle loader that can have a center fire or shotgun barrel add to it like the encore

and i buy say a 3006 where do i do the ffl form or do i to me it would be a way for some not me i could care less to get around the FBI to buy a gun
which i doubt the FBI will let happen
do you do the form when you buy the ml or when you bu a barrel for center fire
also if yo hunt wit a encore pistol is it a handgun which means you need a ccp

It is the frame or receiver containing the serial number that consitutes a firearm. So if you buy a "muzzleloader" that can be converted into a centerfire by swapping barrels, you will have to do all the federal paperwork, background check, (and buy the gun thru a licensed dealer!!), etc., when you buy the serial-numbered item-in this case the gun itelf, even though you actually are buying it with only the ML barrel installed. Then you can buy any available type of barrel to fit it w/o any further restrictions. Except as is mentioneed above, there is some question as to the legality of putting a handgun barrel on it. Actually, it might simplify matters if you buy the gun as a pistol with a barrel under 16" on it to begin with. Then there might be less question if you put a rifle or shotgun barrel on it later.

The permit you might need to use an Encore handgun for hunting depends on the state's rules where you hunt. In most jurisdictions where handgun hunting is legal, a concealed carry permit is NOT needed for hunting, since you will NOTbe carrying a concealed weapon while hunting. BUT, some kind of a pistol permit may be required where you live. For example, in many counties in New York (outside of NYC, of course), it is possible to get a pistol permit for "hunting & target" shooting, but such permits do NOT permit you to carry a concealed handgun. They are only good for the purpose stated on the permit, and the pistol cannot be carried concealed while hunting or target shooting. The Encore or Contender is not a particularly concealable arm anyway.

Check with your local game conservation officer, or better yet, the local District Attorney to find out what the rules are where you live. Before you get arrested.........

[MLKeith]

And get something in writing signed by some legal person as many local law enforcement people know less about firearm regulations than I do. I know as I have a shotgun pistol that is registered with the feds under "Federal Firearms Form One" and most local law people don't even know what FFF1 is. I gave up carrying it as I got too much flack everytime I came across a law enforcement person.