209 question

[edelsite]

I read recently that regular 209 shotgun primers aren't as accurate as muzzleloader specific 209s. Is there any true to that or is it a marketing scheme?

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[bronko22000]

All I ever used when I had an in-line was regular Win 209 primers simply because I had a bunch on had for shotshell loading. I never had a misfire or hang fire. I don't use an in-line any more but I believe I read that the ML 209 primers burn a bit hotter. Could very well be a marketing gimmick but wouldn't swear to it.

[Tahquamenon]

I would saypart science and partmarketing fluff. I have always been able to achieve a load/accuracy with any 209 primer.

The for "ML" 209's are cleaner shooting in my experience, but for the money (like $6-8 a pack retail) I would stay with a Win 209 shotgun primer for half the cost.

I did buy a boatload of the Rem Kleenbores mostly because they were mis-priced. They do shoot very well.

Tahquamenon

[edelsite]

I guess I should expand on what I read a little...The article said that regular shotshell 209's are too hot and actually dispell the charge slightly in the barrel before the blackpowder chargefires. It went on to say that accuracy was lost due to the powder and bullet no longer being seated firmly at the bottom of the barrel. They explained that muzzleloading specific 209'sare not as explosive and won't dispell the black powder charge.

It all sounds good on paper, but I know all too well you can't believe all you read.Therefore, has anyone out there compared side by side shotshell 209's to ML 209's?

[sabotloader]

edelsite

the issue is that 209's come with differnt powers... some 209's could actually puch the bullet off the powder before the powder ignites... That is the issue and it is possible.... I does not happen to me and has not especially if you take care of your powder and the load in your gun..

I would suggest that you do not get primers that are on the very hot side... I use an old primer that is no longer available a Remington 209-4 especially developed for a 410 shotgun. Then the regular Winchester might be the next best choice...

Just my 2 cents...

[Tahquamenon]

I've heard that but honestly have not been able to prove that shotshell 209's are too hot and cause the projectile to lift off of thecharge.

I would say that it's plausible that there is perhaps an optimized ignition primer, but as to just how much value that adds I have no idea.

I have always been able to get Win 209's to print exceptionally well.

[RugerMike]

Shotgun 209 primers tend to be less accurate and more mess (diffently more dirty powder residue)than use of ML 209. Quote"The shotgun primers are the hot ones andclaims topush the charge out of the barrel faster than it can burn all the powder charge up" There maybe some sort of truth to this in that the ML primers do seem to be more consistant in the accuracy catagory where the shogun primers seem to be a larger groups, with fliers. This pretty much holds true on all muzzleloaders we have shot in my area. Of course there are always exceptions to every rule and situation. And powder kind (loose or pellets) can make a huge difference as well. I personally think it has a lot to do with how tight the projectile is in the barrel as well. Some of these ML go from (the bullet/sabot almost falling into the barrel, to others you have to stand on the ram rod to get it down the barrel. My advice is experiment and use what works best for you. I've seen suppose to be the same gun shoot totally different than one just like it? Shoot, shoot, then shoot some more to be sure, what your "sweet spot" load is?

[edelsite]

You guys are awesome! Thanks for all the good advice. I think I'll experiment with both and I'll post if there are any real advantages either way. It's nice to have a good experience base (like this forum) to help clear up fact from marketing fluff.

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[falcon]

"Then the regular Winchester might be the next best choice..."

i now use the Winchester standard 209 primers exclusively.

So called "muzzleloader" primers are not for me. Been there done that.Tried both the Remington and Winchester "muzzleloader" primers. First of all the so called "muzzleloader" primers cost overthree times as much as shotgun primers. In my guns all they didwas to amplify the crud ring problem when using 777. Contrary to the marketing hype, they were not as accurate in my guns as 209 shotgun primers.

[cayugad]

Winchester W209 for the pellets and I use Remington Kleenbore for loose powder. I seem to get the best crud control with this arrangement. Although if you are a shotgun reloader, I am sure the primers would work just fine.