i am looking at buying a muzzleloader for the 08 season
i hunt indiana southwest and never had or shot a muzzlelaoder
i do not wont a cheap piece of crap but do not wont to spend alot on my first muzzleloader
what do you recommend sabot use is not a issue nor scope or primer there pretty open on what ml i can use here
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Well there are lots of good rifles out there. Since you will be shooting sabots and scopes are legal, an Omega Z5, Triumph, Standard Omega, Knight Rolling Block, any knight rifle for that matter, NEF Sidekick, any of them would get the job done for you and not break the bank too bad. With a good load worked up and good optics, you have a 150-200 yard rifle if you are a good shooter by nature and willing to put in the practice time.
Also there are the CVA, Traditions, and other brands out there that are excellent shooters. While I personally would not purchase them, others do and have outstanding luck with their performance.
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TC Encore has alot of options, muzzleloader to rifle to pistol to shotgun>>>>>>>>>>> ;>>>>>>>>>>>
Encores are great, but expensive. Still, there is no doubt as to their excellent quality. Also if I want to shoot a muzzleloader, then I want a muzzleloader. If I did not own a single rifle or shotgun, I might very well go with one of the rifles that allow me to change barrels. But since I "do not wont to spend alot on my first muzzleloader" then theEncore would not be my choice. I personally would go with an Omega or a Knight Rolling Block. I really like the looks of that Rolling Block. While I do not need another inline rifle, I might have to break down and get me one of them just to play with.
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Well there are lots of good rifles out there. Since you will be shooting sabots and scopes are legal, an Omega Z5, Triumph, Standard Omega, Knight Rolling Block, any knight rifle for that matter, NEF Sidekick, any of them would get the job done for you and not break the bank too bad. With a good load worked up and good optics, you have a 150-200 yard rifle if you are a good shooter by nature and willing to put in the practice time.
Also there are the CVA, Traditions, and other brands out there that are excellent shooters. While I personally would not purchase them, others do and have outstanding luck with their performance.
This is good sound advice, take it!
I have a Z5 an love it. I can tell Cayugad knows his stuff.And hewill not steer you wrong. I've followed his posts and applied alot of his advice and info. And I appreciate it! He's really helped me out in the learning process. So have lots of others... Not trying to leave anyone out. All the posts on here usually help someone or give them info.
cayugad,what is that NEF sidekick like?i see cabelas has them for $179 wood stock black barrel would you go with a NEF over a CVA? i was looking to get a second gun to shoot with my apexsince i gave my other one to my brother.
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I bought the Triumph and I love it, easy to clean, simple, fairly reasonably priced, and great shooting. I started a trend around my house, 4 people have bought one after seeing how easy mine is to use. If you get an Encore wait till next year when they come out with the speed breech XT like the Triumph....no more tools to pull the breech plug out.
Isn't that what the Encore Pro Hunter model has--the speed breech?
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I bought the Triumph and I love it, easy to clean, simple, fairly reasonably priced, and great shooting. I started a trend around my house, 4 people have bought one after seeing how easy mine is to use. If you get an Encore wait till next year when they come out with the speed breech XT like the Triumph....no more tools to pull the breech plug out.
cayugad,what is that NEF sidekick like?i see cabelas has them for $179 wood stock black barrel would you go with a NEF over a CVA? i was looking to get a second gun to shoot with my apexsince i gave my other one to my brother.
Not Dave; but I can add some information. I have a Huntsman which is basically the same rifle. If you start at $179 and add $35 to get the Hubbard ourdoors upgraded ramrod (which I strongly recommend) and then add about $65 for the .25ACP breechplug which gets rid of the plastic carriers and the goofy breechplug wrench and gets you to a standard hex head removal tool, then if you are going to scope it another $35 for a rear stock with enough rise for the scope you are now up to the same price as the new Knight KRB7 stainless black synthetic stock rolling block which I also have. And you still need scope mounts and a scope. Personally I would go with the Knight which only needs the scope mounts and scope to function great. Available online for about $300 delivered from R&R. Not trying to say the Huntsman is not a good rifle as I really do like it but the alterations to make it more user friendly do up the price quite a bit. I would not buy a CVA but that is just me. If using the iron sights the Knight is still close in price and somewhatmore gun than the Sidekick. A blue Knight KRB is even less.
Just trying to think of the best I might go with the experiance that I have so + some depends on the rules in your state or where you might hunt... those you will need to verify...
Construction
#1. Stainless Steel
Rifles
#2. A Remington 700 ML (a lot of people are going to cringe at that one - but no matter they are not made any longer)
#3. Omega - & if you have never used a thumbhole stock like myself go try you might be surprised as I was...
a) An Omega with a synthetic stock either thumbhole or standard your choice.. ( that will also cause a few cringes... the laminate stock is a bit bulky for me, heavier, and tends to be slick when wet)
#4 Probabably the next choice for me would be a Triumph or a Knight Rolling Block (KRB) and I would probably go with the Triumph again because of weight.
#5 If you like a short one then the Omega X7
all with warne Quick Detachable bases although all of mine are solid mounts
Projectiles...
#1 Nosler Partitions...
.451/260 grain for whitetail/muley's
.451/300 grain for elk/bear/boar
.458/300 grain for elk/bear/boar
#2 Barnes bullets
#3 Speer Gold Dots
.452/250 grain for deer
.452/300 grain for elk
Sabots... this oneis a little difficult becauseit really depends on what rifle you purchase as to whichsabot will fit best....
But I tend to use more MMP HPH-24 .451-.452/50 Black sabots than anything else.
Hope some of this information and the information above and what will come below helps... It certainly can and will get confusing - like asking ford or chev...
mike
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