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Old 12-15-2007, 06:32 AM   #1
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Having difficulty shooting my T/C High Plains Sporter sidelock. What a great little gun if I could get it to shoot consistantly. I can fire two or three shots before I have a hang-fire/mis-fire then have to pull the bullet with the dreaded ball puller. I keep it real clean, have gone to the larger musket caps thinking it was a primer problem, used both 777 pellets and loose powder, all with the same problems. Any suggestions? Should I send it back to T/C?
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Old 12-15-2007, 09:14 AM   #2
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My T/C plans rifle shoots great with T 7 Loose. Not so good with APP. I use a hot shot nipple and CCI mag #11 caps.
Always lean the rifle the the right when despencing powder in the bore so it gets well into the fire channel. Might also use the flat of the hand to tap the left side near the breech plug to help powder get in that channel.
Also it is a good idea to swab the bore at least every other shot and fire a cap on an empty boreto make sure the channel is clear.

Your right that they are great ML rifles.

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Old 12-15-2007, 09:26 AM   #3
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Try real black powder.
1st off - pellets & sidelocks don't go well together as a general rule. The sidelock design is made for loose powder so it can get back under the nipple for good ignition. With pellets you're asking the fire from the nipple to go through the nipple channel, turn 90°, travel throughanother channel, and still have enough heat to light a hard to light pellet.
The T-7 loose can get back closer to the nipple if you pour it down the bore then "bump" the breech area with the heel of your hand to help it, but it still takes more fire to light than regular old BP.
My T/C NewEnglander sidelock fires perfectly with BP every time. With "substitute" powders it usually does, but an occasional "hang-fire" does happen. If I plan to shoot "subs" I switch to a 209 conversion nipple and get much more reliable ignition.
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if you're having hang fires with loose powder, i'd suggest a new nipple. I prefer the Spitfire nipple with hollow base that cabelas sells.
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Old 12-15-2007, 09:44 AM   #5
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Having difficulty shooting my T/C High Plains Sporter sidelock. What a great little gun if I could get it to shoot consistantly. I can fire two or three shots before I have a hang-fire/mis-fire then have to pull the bullet with the dreaded ball puller. I keep it real clean, have gone to the larger musket caps thinking it was a primer problem, used both 777 pellets and loose powder, all with the same problems. Any suggestions? Should I send it back to T/C?
Pellets do not work in that style of breech. The fire channel has turns and bounces the spark around too much. I am sure any ignition you had with pellets was inconsistent and the accuracy was probably second rate at best. Loose powder should have worked fine, so we need to examine the rifle and then your cleaning procedures.

Are you a bore butter user? Do you leave large amounts of bore butter in the bore of the rifle or do you remove it before shooting? When is the last time you gave the rifle a real scrub down, boiling water, take no prisoner kind of cleaning? How old is the nipple? Is it a hot shot stainless steel brand?

Also when you shoot it, do the caps always go off? Or is the hammer hitting and sometimes not setting the cap off? This could be a sign ofa worn hammer spring. Something T/C would have to fix.

If it were my rifle, I would take the musket nipple and throw it out. I would then purchase a new T/C stainless steel hot shot nipple #11. I would get some leather gloves, and put the tea pot on to boil. Get a metal coffee can, add some dish soap, and then boiling water. With this, put the bolster completely under the water line and start to pump soap and boiling water through the rifle. If you're a bore butter user, look for chunks of brown crud to come out the barrel. That is old bore butter. After I had ran a couple patches through that I would take the barrel outside and pour some more boiling water down it to rinse anything else nasty in there, out.

Then take some solvent and a brass brush and really scrub that barrel.If you have a .22 caliber bore brush and cleaning rod, wrap a patch around the brush. Then dip that in solvent, and push that to the bottom of the breech and turn in a clockwise motion. This will help scrub the cone of the rifle out. After that solvent patches, finally some dry patches. The barrel will still be very hot, so now is a good time to put some quality gun oil on a patch and swab the bore.

After that take an air compressor and shoot forced air through the nipple opening into the bolster. Make sure that is nice and blown out dry. Try pushing a pipe cleaner through the bolster into the breech fire chamber. If your rifle is clean it can be done. Also the pipe cleaner will pull moisture and crud if any, out of the bolster.

Now put the new nipple on and a quality #11 cap like a CCI Magnum. Next would be the powder selection. If you can get it, use 3f black powder. Goex is good.This will light off the best of anything. If your still having problems, I would not know what else to do. I guess I would call T/C.
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Old 12-15-2007, 04:27 PM   #6
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maybe put a patch down the barrel and leave the rod with a new clean patch and snap a cap. you should see it on the patch.repeat a couple times. after that a good cleaning.
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The hammer on my Plains rifle has a cup on the striking area. It does not work well at all with musket caps. It will fire one out of three at best.
I use the finer T7 FFG, real black powder is not an option in this area. Nearest dealer for real black powder is nearly 40 miles away.
I found that by useing FFG T7, hot shot nipples & CCI mag capsI have very good results with both the Hawkins and Plains rifle.

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Old 12-29-2007, 08:31 AM   #8
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You guys are GREAT! I did all of the above and the baby shoots sweet. Thanks again!
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Old 12-29-2007, 08:36 AM   #9
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Oh ya,.........taking more advice, I scrubbed the bore between shots with an undersized brass bore brush (.45 cal)wrapped in a bore buttered patch then jagged with two clean patches. Not only did this do a good job of cleaning the crud out, the next load was as slick as eel S--T! Thanks again
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