listen to this. i would clean my barrel with a wet patch and a dry patch after every outing this weekend. even without shooting the gun my patches would come out grey or black. i get home and use a brush, wet, dry patch and again black patches.
why am i getting dirty patches out of a clean unfired barrel?
ps. one time was even after putting that T17 bore seasoning patch in it over night.
If you're getting dirty patches the barrel wasn't clean in the first place.
Try a good warm water and dish soap cleaning, dry the barrel well, thengive it onelightly oiled patch. If you get dark patches after that you've got a magic barrel.
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Yep, scrub the hell out of it in the hot soapy water.
You may also have some rough areas in your bore. Take a small piece of 0000 steel wool and give it 30-40 strokes. Had to do that with the rough as hell Douglas barrel.
More info needed - when did you last shoot, what powder & load, how long has it been since it was fired?
Sounds to me like it wasn't completelyclean to start with. Some barrels seem to be worse, but for a new barrel you want to get it perfectly clean and grease-free before you shoot it. Once it's clean and you shoot it clean very thoroughly the first few shooting sessions to see if it has a tendancy to hold on to fouling. I've owned rifles that were easy to clean, and others that took a thorough "scrubbing" with hot water and a bristle brush to get all the fouling out. I've found if you don't thoroughly clean a new barrel it may be hard to clean after it is fired. It takes a lot more effort to clean all that "baked-on" grease out than cleaning it thoroughly before it is fired!
I usually clean a barrel, dry it, run some WD-40 through it to get any lingering moisture out, then a couple dry patches to get the WD-40 out. If those patches come out with any gray or black on them it gets cleaned again!
If they are white, it gets RemOil and then checked again in a couple days.
Sometimes what people see is the oil they used to protect their bore. Especially if the rifle has sat for a while and that oil has accumulated dust & dirt. But a "dirty" patch simply means you have to pay more attention to the method you clean the bore of the rifle. The oil you use to protect the bore will also weep out fowling. So that usually means the barrel was not as clean as it could have been, the protection you used, drew more of the fowling, and now you're finally removing it. Its a lot more common to find this with traditional rifles then inlines, although if you clean them right, normally you're fine. A lot of people over look the bolster and the very cone of the breech when they clean traditional rifles.
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yesterday afternoon was my last cleaning with a brush and patches. the last shoot was friday morning. it was solvent and dry patched friday and saturdaymorning and afternoon. T17 in bore sunday morning. clean again sunday afternoon.
i scrubed and soaked the barrel with kinght black powder solvent for a good 10 minutes. i ran the brush up and down the barrel a good 20 times. and i wnet through a good 30 patches and still it would be grey. but only grey after the brush. so i thought it was the brush being dirty so i sprayed the bursh off with powder blast and then went back to scrubbing, still grey patch.
It's the brush maybe. Some solvents react to brass bore brushes I think. I have noticed the same thing.
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It's the brush maybe. Some solvents react to brass bore brushes I think. I have noticed the same thing.
Sounds like a good possibility. I'd try using water or soapy water instead of the solvents.I've recently been using window cleaning fluid (generic windex from the dollar store ) with good results so far.
I have found nothing that works as good as denatured alcohol. If it doesn't come out clean and white it's still dirty. We use it on parts in the machine shop where I work. It clean and dries metal better than anything I have used. I have also found that first shots from my rifles go right where I want them.
I have switched to a plastic bore brush 20 ga. I can clean it with windex it come out a lot cleaner than brass brushes. I still use brass for cleaning.
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does your "clean" barrel make a dirty patch
) with good results so far. 
