xtp without a sabot in my 45?

frontier gander · 10-06-2007, 08:07 PM

I was just messing around and i was curious how a 300 grain XTP would do in .451", in my deer creek .45? I have a .452" xtp but its way to tight to even try to push down the bore. Anyone ever experimented with the idea?

cayugad · 10-06-2007, 08:18 PM

The copper outside might not be the best. Soft lead would work better. Now if that was a .451 pure lead bullet you might get it down the barrel. But I really do not think it would shoot too well. I'd stick with the kind of bullets the rifle was made for.

sabotloader · 10-06-2007, 08:31 PM

FG

Several months back one of the guys on this board shot a bunch 50 cal gold dots from his 50 cal ML - it worked for him they loaded and they shot but he did abanndon the thought - but I am not sure why... accuracy???

MLKeith · 10-06-2007, 10:43 PM

Usually if a hard bullet will fit down the bore it will likely not expand enough to grab the rifling so velocity and accuracy will suffer. As mentioned the bullets need to be soft enough that when the charge goes off it accelerates the base of the bullet faster than the tip resulting in swelling up the bullet enough to fill the rifling grooves.

gleason.chapman · 10-07-2007, 07:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: frontier gander

I was just messing around and i was curious how a 300 grain XTP would do in .451", in my deer creek .45? I have a .452" xtp but its way to tight to even try to push down the bore. Anyone ever experimented with the idea?

There are a lot of guys over on Doug's Savage Forum that shoot 45 caliber Savages without sabots, and several guys here thatdo that for the White also. As for other rifles, I don't know why you couldn't, but I don't think a jacket pistol bullet will work because the jacket is to hard to conform to the bore except for an exact fit. You need to find a bullet that is exactly .45, not .451.I think a Smith and Wessen .45 ACP may work in the rilfe. Never tested it, because I don't have a 45 caliber. My brother has a 45 caliber FL. Chap Gleason

Underclocked · 10-07-2007, 08:35 AM

White shooters generally shoot PURE lead conicals, not jacketed. I know of no White owner shooting full bore JACKETED bullets.

And I recall the testing done and reported herebut can't remember who did the tests. ??

Semisane · 10-07-2007, 08:15 PM

A real problem with shooting a bullet that doesn't expand to fill the grooves is that flame from the charge will blow past the bulletthrough the grooves. Enough shots like that will actually damage the barrel - known as "flame cutting".

goatbrother · 10-08-2007, 12:18 AM

Could look at this forum, those guys seam to have it figured out, but it's smokless. http://www.modernmuzzleloader.com/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=45

frontier gander · 10-08-2007, 12:24 AM

Very interesting! And hes using a Douglas barrel too! Thanks for the website, that was good. Now i will have to shop around and look for an all lead bullet in .450 or .451 and see what i can do.