Remington in the Rock Pit-part 2 today 6/9/07

[sabotloader]

I took the day off and decided it was a good day to go shoot a bit... Cdad is/has caused a problem here with him touting his new 6.5# rifle. Told Terry I need one of them also, because of my advanced age it would really be the gun I need to pack around all day. After the discussion I decided that maybe one of the Remington 700's I have would do just fine, but I need a new scope (did not mention that to her). Well, the new scope came Tuesday, a Bushnell Elite 3200 with a ballistic reticle got it mounted and waited for today to go shoot - Terry is in Kenewick.

I also decided I wanted to shoot 110 grains from the gun today as I do the White, normally I shoot 100 grains from the Remington's. I was really happy with the performance.... Shot 3 rounds at 25 moved the scope slighly then placed a new target and moved it to 50 yards. I wanted to get some velocities this morning also. Shot a fairly nice looking group at 50, but anytime I shoot through the chrono I am little concerned about the chrono which takes a bit of concentration out of the down range results. Plus, this was the first time I have ever shot the Winchester Triple 7 primers, I normally shoot Remington 209-4's, but Wal-Mart had them on sale for $2.50 so I bought a bunch of them. At this point I guess I gotta say I like them. Do not think they are that much cleaner than the Rem's but as you can see I shoot 3 XTP's with the Winnie primers and 3 with the Rem's results were about the same on the target and in velocity. So for me it is a toss up.

I finished up shooting clay pigeons that I placed on the basalt rock wall at the end of the pit (100 to 107 yards). Put out 10 pigeons and got each one of them - one shot/one bird....

Now it is bragging time... my best shot of the day. One of the birds fell on it face on the rock ledge before I got around to shooting it. I just happened to see it through the scope as I was about to shoot a standing bird adjacent to it.... My first thought were dang... then I wonder -can hit it with it laying on the face like that with just the lip visible in the scope... then it became a challenge. I held the scope just below the lip of the bird as I new I was sighted in about 1.5 inches high. Then at the last moment I thought I would just go a bit lower so I could either hit the lip of the bird or I would hit the rock outcrop under the bird and have to take another shot at it. Squeeze - smoke - no bird - there was one small orange spot of it left on the lip the rest of the bird was gone... dang I am good... ok done bragging..

It was a great day shooting...

Here are some velocities hope someone can use them...

[Semisane]

Hey SABOTLOADER, it ain't bragging when you can do it! Nice shooting.

I wish I could get groups like that with the Mustang. It will shoot almost any bullet or load into 3 or 4 inches at 100 yards, but 1 & 1/2 inch groups are rare, even with weighed charges. At least I know what it can do and what I can do with it.

Looked at my targets from last range session and found that Ialso shot a group with 250 grain Gold Dots over 110 grains T-7, with Harvester Crush Ribs. Fifty yard 5-shot group was 1 3/4". Velocities were 1913, 1928, 1789 (?), 1913 & 1931, for an average of 1894 fps.

Thanks for posting velocities. It's nice to be able to do comparision.

[cayugad]

Nice shooting there Sabotloader. It is nice when a rifle is that accurate. Of course, the person on the other end has a lot to do with it as well...

[sabotloader]

Semisane

Ialso shot a group with 250 grain Gold Dots over 110 grains T-7, with Harvester Crush Ribs. Fifty yard 5-shot group was 1 3/4".

The target I posted was also a 50 yard target, I was a little disappointed with the size but as I said I was shooting through a chrono and that always robs me of some concentration + I could not beleive I did not have any MMP HPH-24 sabots with me. I like them just a bit better than the Harvester because it seems to me that the polymere in the MMP is a little more pliable and grabs the lands a little better, which i beleive gives me more accuracy and velocity.... not enough difference to really mention but it is in my mind and you know the power of the mind.

We all want our rifles to be the most accurate thing on the universe but when it comes down to it - it is a hunting rifle - it is not a target rifle. After I shot the 50 yard target I shoot a hundred yard target 4 times to verify left/right and 1.5 to 1.75 inches up. That group was just a bit over 1.5 inches but not quite 1.75. That was enough paper for me, the true test is will it shoot something killable - hence the clay pigeons placed at different ranges and different heights. There you have to make adjustments more like hunting. If I can break these with one shot each at different angles and different ranges then I really do feel I can shoot at animals... even ground squirrels.

The Gold Dot (IMO) is a far better game bullet than the XTP, it is bonded and acts more like a Nosler Partition (which I no longer can afford to shoot) than anything else. Quite often I shoot the lead right out of the copper with the XTP's, except the 10mm 200 grain XTP - it hold together amazingly well. How did the Gold Dotsshoot for you?

I did weigh my charges once for awhile, I am a reloader by nature, so I knew that weighed charges would out perform thrown charges, did not happen for me, there are just to many varibles. Not even the sabots are absolutely the same size everytime and bottles of powder vary also... just many varibles.

For me it is all recreation and I enjoy it a ton...

[gleason.chapman]

ORIGINAL: sabotloader

I took the day off and decided it was a good day to go shoot a bit... Cdad is/has caused a problem here with him touting his new 6.5# rifle. Told Terry I need one of them also, because of my advanced age it would really be the gun I need to pack around all day. After the discussion I decided that maybe one of the Remington 700's I have would do just fine, but I need a new scope (did not mention that to her). Well, the new scope came Tuesday, a Bushnell Elite 3200 with a ballistic reticle got it mounted and waited for today to go shoot - Terry is in Kenewick.

I also decided I wanted to shoot 110 grains from the gun today as I do the White, normally I shoot 100 grains from the Remington's. I was really happy with the performance.... Shot 3 rounds at 25 moved the scope slighly then placed a new target and moved it to 50 yards. I wanted to get some velocities this morning also. Shot a fairly nice looking group at 50, but anytime I shoot through the chrono I am little concerned about the chrono which takes a bit of concentration out of the down range results. Plus, this was the first time I have ever shot the Winchester Triple 7 primers, I normally shoot Remington 209-4's, but Wal-Mart had them on sale for $2.50 so I bought a bunch of them. At this point I guess I gotta say I like them. Do not think they are that much cleaner than the Rem's but as you can see I shoot 3 XTP's with the Winnie primers and 3 with the Rem's results were about the same on the target and in velocity. So for me it is a toss up.

I finished up shooting clay pigeons that I placed on the basalt rock wall at the end of the pit (100 to 107 yards). Put out 10 pigeons and got each one of them - one shot/one bird....

Now it is bragging time... my best shot of the day. One of the birds fell on it face on the rock ledge before I got around to shooting it. I just happened to see it through the scope as I was about to shoot a standing bird adjacent to it.... My first thought were dang... then I wonder -can hit it with it laying on the face like that with just the lip visible in the scope... then it became a challenge. I held the scope just below the lip of the bird as I new I was sighted in about 1.5 inches high. Then at the last moment I thought I would just go a bit lower so I could either hit the lip of the bird or I would hit the rock outcrop under the bird and have to take another shot at it. Squeeze - smoke - no bird - there was one small orange spot of it left on the lip the rest of the bird was gone... dang I am good... ok done bragging..

It was a great day shooting...

Here are some velocities hope someone can use them...

Itwas a VERY great day shooting!That looks like about a 1 inch group at 50 yards, very nice.The heck with getting aWhite, shoot the Remington! Chap

[herman]

sabotloader,have you taken any deer with those 200 xtp's?
I tried them last year in an encore to see how they shot and they did real good but have never hunted with them.
I have used a 185 gr from nosler that worked great on deer out of a ruger and have used the 195 barnes (Didn't work for me on deer) and 200 sst and SW (worked great on deer)out of the encore.
I think you were the one that had a post about the 200 xtp's before when I decided to see how they shot.

[Semisane]

SABOTLOADER

Regarding your question

Semisane. - - - How did the Gold Dotsshoot for you?

Last session I shot the 250 grain Gold Dots along with 300 grain Hornady XTPs and 300 grain Sierra Jacketed Soft Points. The Gold Dots shot the best of the three by a very slight margin. Not quite an equal comparision because of the 250 grain/300 grain issue.Wish I'd had 300 grain Gold Dots for the test.

I'll put the threetargets in a new post for a look-see. None of the groups are as tight as you are getting with that Remington.

[sabotloader]

herman

I have not but lee has and really is keen on them... here is a quote from hime I do not think he will mind...

I had such good results from both the 300 gr gold dot and the 2oogr 40 cal XTP it [blew right through a nice 6 point left a good exit hole but no blood trail since he dropped on the spot since it passed through and I could not find where it hit no slug to show. I was kind of leary about the sectional density of the 180 grain Gold Dot, but if it shoots good enough I might try them on deer;will stick with the 200 on elk,bear and boar. Lee

He certainly likes them...

[sabotloader]

Semisane

Wish I'd had 300 grain Gold Dots for the test.

Those are what I use for elk... they have a really decent BC for a 45 cal bullet and shoot great. Chap used them last year on deer and said he really had good luck with them.

I did shoot a couple of them a pigeons today also they are an awesome bullet.

[gleason.chapman]

ORIGINAL: sabotloader

Semisane

Those are what I use for elk... they have a really decent BC for a 45 cal bullet and shoot great. Chap used them last year on deer and said he really had good luck with them.

I did shoot a couple of them a pigeons today also they are an awesome bullet.

I plan on shooting them this year out of my BP inlines and it my FL, after I use up my Noslers have 50 of em left. They are a solid bullet that expands well and doesn loose weight, hold together well and shoot thru deer, all are characteristics that I am looking for in a bullet. They are also about the same cost as XTPs, which have the reputation of separation of jacket from core so they loose power and penetration, which the Gold dot don't---they hold completely together. I like em, a lot. Oh, I can't tell any difference inaccuracyor point of impactin shooting them at 100 yards between a Nosler, XTP or a Gold Dot. Maybe it is just me or my guns but I can only shoot 3" groups at 100 yards with my inlines. Now my new Savage that is another story, I am trying for a 200 yard bullet with that so as to not shoot CF this year. I am pretty sure I can get that with a SW or a Barnes, both in 300g. Chap Gleason