A number of folks have mentioned drastic POI changes with the their drop breech rifles. ML Keith mention moving POI higher with his Omega enough to complete shoot over an elk at 75 yards or so. Outdoorslover remarked about the POI being considerably different on his Apex from one outing to the next.
Since the lugs on all the drop breech rifles are not bedded and the barrel beds the stock, they must be tighten consistently, and now I think, in a particular order to maintain consistent POI afterbarrel has been removed from stock for cleaning or other purposes.
Since the design is for the barrel to bed in the stock, the barrel is supported by the stock on the muzzle side of the muzzle-side lug and by the stock between the two lugs.
By tightening the muzzle lug first, the barrel beds in the stock evenly supported on both sides of the lug.
However, if one tightens thebreech lug first, the barrel can be cocked up pivoting on the stock right in front of the breech lug. Then tightening the muzzle lug will curve the barrel down lowering POI.
To lift POI probably requires over tightening the muzzle lug screw curving the breech and muzzle up in an arc.
Do any of these conclusions come from your bedding project on the Apex? I'd be interested in seeing a post with pics of how you went about doing that. I know you posted the text, but having never bedded a barrel before, pics would be helpful to me. As you know I've got the Kodiak, which shares a lot of similarity to the Apex. Speaking of which, how is the Kodiak Pro working for you?
Pglasgow, I came to much the same conclusions the first time I disassmbled one I torque the barrel screw to 28 inch pounds first,then the the same for the breach. Not saying this is best but since it worked for me first try I have not experimented. Lee
Do any of these conclusions come from your bedding project on the Apex? I'd be interested in seeing a post with pics of how you went about doing that. I know you posted the text, but having never bedded a barrel before, pics would be helpful to me. As you know I've got the Kodiak, which shares a lot of similarity to the Apex. Speaking of which, how is the Kodiak Pro working for you?
Zugunrhe,
I will try to post photos. I will need the assistance of my brother to do that as I have no way to take digital photos right now. So far, nothing is bedded, only reinforced.The reinforcementstep is completed on the apex. I have decided to do a complete bedding of the barrel and lugs. I will first bed the lugs (barrel slightly floated), then the completebarrel. My reason for doing this is that I don't see how one can have a full functioning float while the ramrod is installed. If I choose, I can always float by shimming the lugs equally.
As for the Kodiak Pro, I haven't taken her out for a date at the range yet. Been really wanting to fool around with her but just haven't been able to because of the weather conditions have closed the road to the range. I plan to fully bed the Kodiak Pro also. It will actually be easier to do than the Apex. Functionally they are the same rifle with only minor differences. The Kodiak Pro has williams sights and the trigger is just tougher. I'm not sure what, if anything I will do about it. It works well to wrap the index finger around the trigger to leverage the squeeze. If I don't think its affecting my accuracy, I won't do anything with it. It could be a while before I am able to access the range for testing.
Pglasgow, I came to much the same conclusions the first time I disassmbled one I torque the barrel screw to 28 inch pounds first,then the the same for the breach. Not saying this is best but since it worked for me first try I have not experimented. Lee
Thanks Pglasgow, you can send some of that snow our way if you want. Things just are not right in Iowa when you have a continuous string of 50 degree days, and a few of 60+ throughout December and January. We have had a grand total of 2-1/2" of snow this year to date and most of that came on Veteran's Day!!
Thanks Pglasgow, you can send some of that snow our way if you want. Things just are not right in Iowa when you have a continuous string of 50 degree days, and a few of 60+ throughout December and January. We have had a grand total of 2-1/2" of snow this year to date and most of that came on Veteran's Day!!
Zugunruhe,
If I were certain we had sufficient precipitation to replinish our depleted reservoirs, I'd gladly share the snow . But I could get lynched by the good folks in California who depend on the west slope snowmelt. Both Mead and Powell are seriously depleted. Its too bad we all can't just get all we need, when we need it.
We've gotten plenty of precip, its just been in the form of rain in central Iowa. I must be getting sensitive in my old age, because I've had my fill of gray rainy days for the year. We should have snow, ice on the lakes and blinding sun right now. As it is, all the lakes and rivers are open, most everywhere is a big mudhole. Not really good for anything! Like Cayugad says though in Wisconsin, just wait five minutes and the weather will change. Same usually applies here.
As far as I can tell the Omega has one problemI a down pour type rain the breach leaksthe water went right past the 209 and got the powder wet. If any one has some ideas on a simply way to fix it I sure would like to hear them. The gun loads easy shoots wonderful and cleans easy but I really need to do something to seal that breach. Lee
As far as I can tell the Omega has one problemI a down pour type rain the breach leaksthe water went right past the 209 and got the powder wet. If any one has some ideas on a simply way to fix it I sure would like to hear them. The gun loads easy shoots wonderful and cleans easy but I really need to do something to seal that breach. Lee
Lee, I'll check on my Apex, but I think if I took a q-tip dipped in hot wax and lined the breech plug where the primer goes in with wax, it would seal. What do you think?
Thoughts on the drop action
. But I could get lynched by the good folks in California who depend on the west slope snowmelt. Both Mead and Powell are seriously depleted. Its too bad we all can't just get all we need, when we need it.
