Try this little test. Buyfour 40lb bags of Potting soil or sand. Place them in a two 5 gallon buckets. Us a 10 lb mall or tamper to pack the dirt in the 5 gallon bucket. Place an old 2x6 behind the buckets. Shot thru the buckets at 25 yards and see if the bullet fragments or comes apart. A bullet that sheds it's jacket or fragments or breaks apart will do so when it hits a deer's front shoulder. You can also shoot into soaked newspaper or just a pile of dirt, but digging the bullet out is more difficult than the 5 gallon bucket. Basically any method that will show penetration and ability of thebullet tostay together. Bonded bullets work best, since their jacket is bonded to the core of the lead in some manner. You want a bullet that penetrates deeply, doesn't fragment, expands to 2x and leaves an exit trail for blood trailing.
Chap Gleason
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Agreed, they should not brake up a bad as a HP. The test is do they break apart or shed their copper skin? If they do then they are spending the energy breaking apart not penetrating. Sabotloader showed a test he did on Hornady XTPs and Speer Gold Dots shot into sand. The Hornady shed their jackets and the Gold dots didn't. If these bullets are bonded to the lead inside them, they they will work fine, if however they are just coated over, not bonded then they will tend to break off the copper coating. If the bullet is not "soft lead" then it will also break apart, like PowerBelts, cause the lead is not pure lead, but lead and antimonium mixed, making it brittle, not supple. How is this bullet made in it's core?
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Not sure how they perform on game but I have shot the identical bullet in .45cal 300gr. and in Harvester sabots out of my Omega I shot one 100 yard group that measured 5/8 inch center to center. They apparently fly really good.
lemoyne - those are a real interesting looking bullet. I think next order I will pick up a box of them, just to play with. Sabotloader got me interested in 200 gr .40 caliber projectiles a while back and I have been seeing how hard I can push them. They seem to do better pushed hard.
Yesterday I was shooting some 200 gr Shockwaves out of a stainless Steel Renegade 1:28 twist barrel. Even though I was only at the 50 yard line, it was with open sights. I was testing them and the new 3f Kik Black Powder.
I have no idea how fast a 200 grain Shockwave was moving with 100 gr of Kik 3f powder but they were knocking the steel bullet trap all over. The first shot on the clean barrel hit to the left, but the next four actually shot an impressive group. After that I was trying some 300 grain XTP with the Kik powder. The 200 gr seem like a good projectile. Thanks for the link.
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I have seen the200gr 40 calshock waves pushed to 2600 fps but the accuracy was going down hill after 2400 it seems like the sabots start giving up.Those flat point RN bullets might be good for deep penatration for boar or elk? What do you think?Lee
They should penetrate well. How well on big game I have no idea. It would be interesting to do some penetration tests with them. I have them on my wish list so the next order I will remember to get some..
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40 cal 200gr flat point RN
