Hunting 201/Not really!

gleninAZ · 11-20-2004, 09:22 AM

I just watched the show where the host hunts water buffalo in south Florida. Now I don't remember seeing any when I used to fish down there so I would guess that the big bruiser that no one was able to kill for the last two years might be an import. Well, I am not bashing game farms or fences BUT---I did notice that the host and his guide both had DB rifles and the host took a running shot then the guide took a shot then the host took a shot and so on. Now I also noticed that the end of the show showed an entry in a record book for that bull. Can someone tell me what record book it was that allowed two men to shoot the same animal on a game farm? Maybe it was not a record book and they just laid the page out like it was. Anyway, I stayed up very late last night and might have just had a hunting nightmare and I didn't really see the whole thing. The outfitter was J&R Outfitters. They did have a nice looking woman working at the million dollar lodge and great food.

ulysses · 11-22-2004, 06:35 AM

apparently you are using this message board to voice your disapproval of game farms, which is your right.
But it is not your right to pass judgement of those that do patronize them. If you were knowledgeble on the subject you would be aware that this particular operation is over 3000 acres and yes the Asian water buffalo both in swamp and river sub species is an import.
I may be incorrect but I do believe in most sporting circles dangerous game is considered the trophy of the person putting the first killing shot in the animal. Also that it is considered ethical and sporting to try and finish the animal as quickly as possible regardless of how many shooters are involved.

gleninAZ · 11-22-2004, 09:50 AM

I ain't using this board for nothin but to express my opinion on this particular show. I don't care if it was a 30 acre pen or a 10000 acre ranch. My point was the hunter shot his first shot and before he could pull the trigger again you could hear and see the guide take his first shot then the hunter then the guide. The animal was at a full run away and at a distance. I call that buddy hunting no matter where you hunt. So answer my question is this a record book entry as it was portrayed or not?

ELKampMaster · 11-22-2004, 10:19 AM

IMHO, I believe it is common practice with Dangerous Game (DG), since in the case of wounded DG the PH gets to track it, "crawl in there" and clean up the mess any way so shooting while the animal is making his escape is only prudent. Part of the reason for this is so the wounded and enraged animal does not attack other unwary hunters on another day. I dare say a fair minority of the DG in record books in Africa was taken this way. The stakes are simply too high to screw around with the "he's mine, all mine" syndrome --- we're not in Kansas any more Todo.

Does it "taint" the record book, for the purists yes, for the pragmatics, no.

EKM

gleninAZ · 11-22-2004, 10:58 AM

EKM-Thanks and I will accept that as I have never hunted anything more dangerous than bear and lion. I would personally be ticked if I paid for the animal and was not allowed to take my second shot before the guide took his. We just don't have those deals out here and I thought it was a little different with the ten foot high swamp buggy and all. Usillys-I didn't mean to offend you if that's where you hunt.

ulysses · 11-22-2004, 11:22 AM

no I don't hunt in Florida but have hunted in RSA many times though, and believe me just one itty bitty nana second after a hunter touches off their first shot the better PHs will be banging away too at any DG. SCI,R&R and all record keeping orgs are fully aware of this.
But if all you've hunted is the cowardly mtn lion and the occasional blk bear I can see why you wouldn't understand how DG is dealt with.
Here's a ? for you...does the DG become any less DANGEROUS just because it is hunted as an exotic stateside?????

gleninAZ · 11-22-2004, 12:42 PM

I guess I am just not as rich or tough as you are. Thanks for straightening me out so I can stay in my place. I am so skeered I gotta go hide now.

ulysses · 11-22-2004, 01:32 PM

good now stay there

gleninAZ · 11-22-2004, 01:36 PM

LMAO-Yer all right. Later.

oldelkhunter · 11-23-2004, 11:30 AM

[quote][/I just watched the show where the host hunts water buffalo in south Florida. Now I don't remember seeing any when I used to fish down there so I would guess that the big bruiser that no one was able to kill for the last two years might be an import. Well, I am not bashing game farms or fences BUT---I did notice that the host and his guide both had DB rifles and the host took a running shot then the guide took a shot then the host took a shot and so on. Now I also noticed that the end of the show showed an entry in a record book for that bull. Can someone tell me what record book it was that allowed two men to shoot the same animal on a game farm?quote]

Glen did you catch the electric cattle fence in the background. To even put this in the same category as African Hunting when it was a freaking water buffalo. I mean water buffalo can be dangerous but in some places they are as domesticated as oxen. Please will someone tell me how challenging this was.