bikerman9967

as far as the first half of your statement, i understand you dont have much sympathy, but the guides are trying to make a living too. if the non residents cant draw tags due to the point system creep, they will choose other states where it will work. at that point the lost funds from the non residents will be pushed onto the residents

Champlain Islander

I have a good friend who lives in Alamosa and he has even more points built up than you do Flags. His dad was Colorado Commish of Fish and Wildlife years ago before he passed away. My friend is frustrated because he too wants to burn his points on a certain GMU and so far isn't able to draw. He would like the option if the need arose to burn a few points on another hunt in a lesser area. It is all or nothing and if he decided to draw a tag in say an area like 049 where I was headed for ML he would get the tag but it would be given at the 20 something level he was at. if both you and he decided to do the same that would be 2 out of the quota that went for 20+ points. Add in a few more long time point gatherers and it alters the GMU and you have more point creep. What they should do to end it is freeze the points needed to draw, allow banking where if you decided to go for that ML tag you would spend 10 and still have 11. Down the road after the dust settles they could allow the draw results to determine the level needed but it would gradually go down since they have banking and one by one the people with the 20 something points will use their points since they will get to draw since the threshold for draw was frozen. There are plenty of great units as you know and the points you have accumulated could be used for 3 or 4 great hunts rather than waiting for the chance of a lifetime and then be too old to do it properly.
That is a great point. There has to be a lot of competition between the states for the NR hunting dollars. Colorado makes huge money on points purchases and get to keep it for a few months interest free. If the system is starting to drive people away they need to do what is necessary to have sportsmen choose their state.

Big Uncle

It is the period in which you may buy your WYOMING preference points. The point of this thread is to remind people that now is the time. It is easy to forget to buy your WYOMING points as it is done at a different time of year than when applying for licenses in WYOMING.

This expires at the end of September for WYOMING.

Champlain Islander

Sorry to hijack your thread Big Uncle. I was just unloading my displeasure for the way one state deals with it. You are right and i was wrong. Sorry...

bikerman9967

with the little amount of traffic this forum sees, who cares where the threads really end up?

Zim

For newbies let the buyer beware. Points are becoming nothing but a legalized bait-n-switch money making snake oil scheme for all states. They are more than eager to peddle them, but when it comes to honoring them it's a totally different story. The most recent case in point Arizona, which is totally screwing point holders whom they sold points to the last 20 years. Stealing thousands of dollars in value. My suggestion is to not let your points build past 3 or 4 ANYWHERE for ANYTHING, as a safeguard against the white collar criminals residing in statehouses.

flags

If you do that you're not going to hunt much in the Rocky Mountain states especially if you want good quality tags. But that's OK. If a bunch of people follow this misguided advice then it will make tags easier to get for me.

Zim

I HAVE drawn and hunted some of the best units out west, including NV unit 114 elk, AZ unit 1 elk, UT Book Cliffs elk, NM elk, CO deer, WY moose, etc., etc. But these hunts were all drawn prior to the new world philosophy of legislators screwing those deserving hunters who have applied the longest and paid the most. Times have definitely changed.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you don't have 18-20 points in several states like I do. If you did, you would have had the experience of having those points cheapened time and again by thieves waving unethical legislation. In the eyes of legislators, the more points you have, the bigger the target you have on your back.

This is a documented fact..............definitely not an opinion.

flags

Not in several states but I do have that many for many of the species in CO. Since I'm a CO resident I don't need to apply elsewhere since I can get all the species I want there except caribou and Roosevelt elk and neither of those is a deal breaker for me.

Muley Hunter

I find it odd that anyone claiming to be a meat hunter would have a lot of points built up.