What is one thing you hate about hunting shows & magazines?

Wolf killer · 08-25-2003, 08:26 AM

I hate it when the hunter/writer/movie star, passes up a buck or bull early in the hunt, only to kill the same animal or a smaller one on the last day of the hunt.
Just shows me they want to kill any animal. If a big one happened to walk by early in the hunt they can brag about how good of hunter they are. They can' t stand going home with a un-filled tag. I call them sore losers.
The secret to killing a big buck or bull is to not shoot the small ones.
Maybe I am getting too old & set in my ways??? I feel hunting is not just about killing any animal to prove your a man?

Beans Morocco · 08-28-2003, 08:17 PM

Yeah...Hunting shows...too many canned hunts, the shameless employment and shilling of gadgets and technology of an often dubious nature. How about someone really getting down to basics: Tracking, Habitat recognition and examination, Serious safety, Behavioral study, Fitness, Ethics, etc.

trapper T · 08-28-2003, 09:02 PM

Beans stole my thunder, gadgets and these canned hunts, notice that Ted Nugent and all his talk of Spirit of the wild is always either on his fenced property or on a " ranch" somewhere[:@]

handloader1 · 08-28-2003, 10:10 PM

Not showing the kill shot.
Only hunting white tail deer.
Not revealing what make of rifle, caliber, and bullet used.
Good luck.

RedAllison · 08-28-2003, 11:17 PM

I agree, its the REDICULOUS flogging we are bombarded with of commercials, gear ads " worked in" while on the hunt etc... I fully understand the costs involved in airtime, production etc, but the " big shows" on the Outdoor channel are flat out getting REDICULOUS. Used to be in a 30 min show you would get 15-20 minutes of actual " in the field" footage and action. Now it literally is under 10 minutes and I watched one show just recently that featured OVER 20 minutes of breaks/commercials and probably only an actual 5-7 minutes of action scattered about in a 30 minute " show" . They keep up with the " infomercials" and I' m just gonna quit watching them all together.

Its gettin plum obnoxious,
RA

Rangerlab · 08-29-2003, 08:19 AM

I hate it when they have the camera standing over the harvested animal, and they show the hunter supposedly tracking it, and then looking up and acting surprised to find it. I wish they would just have the camera following the hunter as he actually tracks the animal. I don' t need to see his facial expression when he sees the deer.

Tim Herald · 08-29-2003, 12:58 PM

I guess I' ll play devil' s advocate. I too hate canned hunts, period. I like realism and seeing the kill shot, and I want to see more hunting than plugs for products. On the Outdoor Channel a show has about 6 minutes of commercial time. You have to have commercials if there is going to be shows. Also, it is very expensive to film and produce a QUALITY show. To do that, you have to have sponsors, and they want plugs in the shows. Now some go way overboard, but there are ways to mention a product during a hunt or on an after the shot wrap up that isn' t too bad, or they can show the logo on a product during a hunt. Bottom line is you have to include some of this to be on TV. If a company pays a $50,000 sponsorship for a quarter (13 weeks) they want something for their money. Now we as viewers have to sit through some of this stuff that we would rather not see, or we won' t get to watch any hunting on TV. It is a tradeoff, and I realize some shows take it too far. But just try to understand where this all comes from and why it is a necessity.

Just think how much license, travel, cameras, tapes, editing equipment, etc. cost for a couple of crews to hunt all year long. Many times the shows have to pay for some or all of their hunts as well. sometimes they are free. Someone said they went to a seminar the other day, and a Primos guy said they were spending $90,000 just on their Colorado elk hunts this fall. That doesn' t include salaries for the cameraguys and other staff. Making a quality hunting show is very expensive.

I have filmed numerous hunts for TV with Knight & Hale, The HUnters Journal, and Mossy Oak. I have been there for the editing process as well, and most folks have no idea how much work, time and money go into something like this.

oldelkhunter · 08-29-2003, 07:07 PM

I agree with everything said above...no real info passed on to anyone just a marketing tool....Have yet to ever find a guide that had a pair of Swarovski El' s but seems like all the guides have them on these so called " hunting shows" i used to subscribe to the outdoor channel myself but that is no longer the case.

RedAllison · 09-03-2003, 11:07 AM

Tim you are WRONG about the 6minutes of commercials per 30 minute show on the O.C. Simply watch a show and look at the clock. Some of the shows are actually getting about 6 minutes of SHOW and the rest is ads (some for the O.C. itself and the rest split for the show). Its just getting outright rediculous. Primos DOES spend a ton of money on their " Truth" shows each year. I' ve been told by my brothers buyer (they are Primos dealers and good friends with Will Primos) that some years they have spent as much as $500k on the show and that it typically is a money LOSING event that is budgeted for losses each year. But its chalked up to " advertising" and without such shows, they wouldnt have the sales that make up for a $500K " ad budget" . The show itself is the ad for them, as is similar shows by BPS, Cabelas etc...

Airtime on T.O.C. is going up steadily, the channel is a runaway success, especially with The Outdoor Life channel being so slanted to kyak paddlers, bird watchers and granola eaters with hiking boots. But the simple BOMBARDMENT of their veiwers with ads ads ads is getting annoying. Obviously there is enough paying advertisers to just about make it possible for anyone that wants a show. That being the case, simply cut the ad numbers in half and double the price of the slots. Something needs to be done to keep the quality of the show in check. I watched a show yesterday that featured a bowhunt in Ohio and and a buck that the bowhunter wanted to take, was first appx 80yds out and closing in toward the stand. By the time the buck was within range and the shot was taken, three breaks were taken (appx 2 minutes each so that is 4 commercials per break) before the " kill" was made. That is simply rediculous and I dont care what anyone says.

Thank GOD for remotes and " favorite" buttons on it. The funny thing is that advertisers havent figured out that NONE of their ads are being seen. The ONLY time " typical America" watches ads is once a year during the SuperBowl!!!

[X(]
RA

King Hugh · 09-03-2003, 07:38 PM

My complaint comes from the fact that they go on these hunts that regular people could probably NEVER afford to go on.

How about some shows done on public land.

Let' s see these guys pull those monster bucks off the lands that I have available to hunt on. If they can do that, I' ll be impressed. It' s easy to wait for a bigger buck when you know there will be another one along in a few minutes, and not the ONLY deer you will see ALL SEASON.

I remember seeing them talking about a rifle once, they referred to it as " very good and with a price tag that would make it hard to pass up by any sportsman" . Price tag $1800 w/o the scope. I don' t know about you all, but my whole gun collection didn' t cost $1800. To me it' s worth a $1,000,000, but to them it would be junk, and I' d be considered a bum.

That' s what pisses me off, and why I seldom watch.