Federal Fusion..NOT impressed
11-16-2006, 03:30 PM
#22
Typical Buck
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RE: Federal Fusion..NOT impressed
Rather-----I've never used or seen the results of a Barnes. But I've seen the results of a partition, 1st hand.Meat loss was the sameas a core-lokt, that front half is just a standard bullet & the back half is a solid. To each there own, I stick with plain jane bullets out of a 30/06. CB
11-16-2006, 05:43 PM
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RE: Federal Fusion..NOT impressed
I guess I'm somewhere between CB and R-B-H, in that for most game, ie., deer, I think most factory loads will perform plenty well enough, if not perfectly, to drop what you want to put in the freezer. Ienjoy reloading my own ammo,for any number of reasons, but probably the biggest reason being,I have control over what case, primer, powder, and bulletI use, (in this case, a .308).I have used Hornady bulletson caribou with excellent results, and( many years ago, used factory Rem ammo on whitetails very sucessfully). When going for elk, I decided to use the Barnes TSX, whichI was very satisfied with as far as performance. In all fairness, the bullet punched through, so Icannot say if itretained full weight, I only know it broke several ribs on entry, and made a nice hole on exit. When I see (whats left of) a bullet like my friend shot, and recovered only the jacket from the innards, rest assured, I will not be putting that bullet into my 'possibles" bag. I will still stand by my original post, that if a bullet is sold as being basically impossible to have the jacket and core seperate, and it does read that way, it had better not if you want me to buy it.
11-16-2006, 06:47 PM
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RE: Federal Fusion..NOT impressed
ORIGINAL: Colorado Bob
But I've seen the results of a partition, 1st hand.Meat loss was the sameas a core-lokt, that front half is just a standard bullet & the back half is a solid.
But I've seen the results of a partition, 1st hand.Meat loss was the sameas a core-lokt, that front half is just a standard bullet & the back half is a solid.
11-16-2006, 07:12 PM
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RE: Federal Fusion..NOT impressed
Hey Guys,
Well, I guess I am the "idiot" who used a 180gr 30-06 Federal Fusion on an elk. Just so everyone is clear, I was using a Winchester Model 70 in a 30-06. The elk in question was an adult cow and the shot was about 35 yards. No matter how you look at it, Federal says the core won't seperate from the jacket and this didn't seem to hold true. Now don't get me wrong, I like Federals and use their premium Barnes sabot in my shotgun for deer as well as their turkey loads for turkeys. I am going to try their Barnes Triple Shock X. Yes, dead is dead and fortunately it all worked out. It may have been a different story if the shot was further and it was a big bull. Oh by the way, I purchased the box at Cabela's (World's Foremost Outfitter) at their headquarters in Sidney, Nebraska. I told the ammo dude what I has hunting and I'm pretty sure he didn't say "Son, these are for deer only". I think I would have remembered that! Here is the suspect in question:
This one is my favorite
Well, I guess I am the "idiot" who used a 180gr 30-06 Federal Fusion on an elk. Just so everyone is clear, I was using a Winchester Model 70 in a 30-06. The elk in question was an adult cow and the shot was about 35 yards. No matter how you look at it, Federal says the core won't seperate from the jacket and this didn't seem to hold true. Now don't get me wrong, I like Federals and use their premium Barnes sabot in my shotgun for deer as well as their turkey loads for turkeys. I am going to try their Barnes Triple Shock X. Yes, dead is dead and fortunately it all worked out. It may have been a different story if the shot was further and it was a big bull. Oh by the way, I purchased the box at Cabela's (World's Foremost Outfitter) at their headquarters in Sidney, Nebraska. I told the ammo dude what I has hunting and I'm pretty sure he didn't say "Son, these are for deer only". I think I would have remembered that! Here is the suspect in question:
This one is my favorite
11-16-2006, 07:34 PM
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RE: Federal Fusion..NOT impressed
ORIGINAL: Rob in VT
Hey Guys,
Well, I guess I am the "idiot" who used a 180gr 30-06 Federal Fusion on an elk. Just so everyone is clear, I was using a Winchester Model 70 in a 30-06. The elk in question was an adult cow and the shot was about 35 yards. No matter how you look at it, Federal says the core won't seperate from the jacket and this didn't seem to hold true. Now don't get me wrong, I like Federals and use their premium Barnes sabot in my shotgun for deer as well as their turkey loads for turkeys. I am going to try their Barnes Triple Shock X. Yes, dead is dead and fortunately it all worked out. It may have been a different story if the shot was further and it was a big bull. Oh by the way, I purchased the box at Cabela's (World's Foremost Outfitter) at their headquarters in Sidney, Nebraska. I told the ammo dude what I has hunting and I'm pretty sure he didn't say "Son, these are for deer only". I think I would have remembered that! Here is the suspect in question:
Hey Guys,
Well, I guess I am the "idiot" who used a 180gr 30-06 Federal Fusion on an elk. Just so everyone is clear, I was using a Winchester Model 70 in a 30-06. The elk in question was an adult cow and the shot was about 35 yards. No matter how you look at it, Federal says the core won't seperate from the jacket and this didn't seem to hold true. Now don't get me wrong, I like Federals and use their premium Barnes sabot in my shotgun for deer as well as their turkey loads for turkeys. I am going to try their Barnes Triple Shock X. Yes, dead is dead and fortunately it all worked out. It may have been a different story if the shot was further and it was a big bull. Oh by the way, I purchased the box at Cabela's (World's Foremost Outfitter) at their headquarters in Sidney, Nebraska. I told the ammo dude what I has hunting and I'm pretty sure he didn't say "Son, these are for deer only". I think I would have remembered that! Here is the suspect in question:
This press release refers to the Fusion as "a deer bullet of unimagined kinetic force by electrochemically joining pure copper to an extreme pressure-formed core. It releases radically high terminal energy upon impact, radiating lethal shock throughout the target. "
http://outdoorwriters.atk.com/defaul...&year=2006
Also, every add I've seen in every outdoor magazine specifically pictured or statedit as a deer bullet.
Oh well live and learn I guess. You don't have ot worry about much seperation the TSX it's pretty well solid.
11-16-2006, 09:19 PM
#27
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RE: Federal Fusion..NOT impressed
Rob,
That is pretty definitive, looks seperated to me for something that infers that it is fused.
You won't be disappointed in a Barnes TSX, they are mean mistreaters and have no core to shed, monolithic.
(BTW, I've never been disappointed in Partition either).
That is pretty definitive, looks seperated to me for something that infers that it is fused.
You won't be disappointed in a Barnes TSX, they are mean mistreaters and have no core to shed, monolithic.
(BTW, I've never been disappointed in Partition either).
11-17-2006, 07:00 AM
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RE: Federal Fusion..NOT impressed
Gosh, Rob, from your pictures, that's an awful big "hollow point" you were using. And you say it was from a .243 and the shot was from 350 yards? Wow! 
Nice picture buddy!
Nice picture buddy!