I want to cut my own patches for my .32 Cherokee but I was trying a hollow punch set on a piece of wood and it would not cut the ticking material. My question is do I need a wad cutter like from Dixie or do I just need a hardwood piece of scrap or like a piece of aluminum to put under the cutter? It just didn't penetrate the material like I thought it would. Perfect circle on the ticking but not cut through just embedded in the pine board.