I just bought my son one of the newer Charles Daly 20ga Auto in matte black. One of the funnest shot guns I have ever shot. My son and I starting shooting clays and he was very successful hitting 4/5 almost every round with a skeet choke in it. He is 11 years old. It is a damn good gun for the $200 I paid for it brand new. Check out their 12ga auto, not sure about being able to shoot 3 1/2s in the 12, but they are worth a look for an all around auto gun for the price.