Go on Trophylines site; they make the tree saddle. Watch the 2 John Eberhardt videos. I am going to try the tree saddle ambush this year. It only weighs 1.5 lbs. Now that is light!! I have been researchin them a bunch. Guys say they are comfortable for all da yhunting and they even sleep in them safely. Probably the safest treestand out there.